One more thing - all this BS game theory or negotiation doesn't apply to unbalanced nuclear opponents - Conventional warfare between Nuclear adversaries ALWAYS degenerates to nuclear destruction of the weaker party
All the buzz words 'limited war", "proportional response", "collateral damage" have no place in GAMES between nuclear powers
Livingston nh 19:00:44 GMT - 08/13/2017
jp - CHINA MAY NOT UNDERSTAND what the Soviets did - there are no winners w/ second strike capable opponents // none of the commentariat is considering that the only way to ensure the dual mandate of elimination of the NK dynasty and protect the hostages is a FIRST STRIKE by the US the requirements are 1) moving US killer subs into proximity of NK subs, 2) moving US missile subs w/i 200 mi or less of NK, 3) launch clean-up B52 and B1 w/ nuke cruise missile
4) secrecy (no ally) attack late evening on ALL TARGETS
This is Pre-emptive war - justified by threat and capability of NK (really STUPID since victory is the only justification)
Fait accompli by dawn
US does not have conventional war capacity to achieve twin goals SO MASSAVE FIRST STRIKE satisfies VICTORY conditions
Mtl JP 23:51:47 GMT - 08/11/2017
nh - I am sceptical the NKorean's is an independent , original action.
china put on a military show aug4-8 during which it let rip a few dozen missiles to attempt to demonstrate the local top dogs disenchantment with the intruder.
from an earlier Mtl JP 01:18 GMT August 11 FF post: Judging from the reuters piece it seems like the real pi$$ed off party is China at the American smelling up the neighbourhood with his presence there with his harsh diplomacy meddling toys.
Livingston nh 12:29:00 GMT - 08/11/2017
Jp - The destruction of the Mafia family rule in NK would be beneficial in two ways and reunification would be beneficial to Chinese interests -- it reduces the likelihood that Japan would expand its nuclear development; many SKs would be appalled by the US action and the removal of Kim threat would result in a neutral KOREA w/ no need for US troops; the rebuilding of the north would involve a great investment opportunity for many Chinese firms
The alleged fear of NK folks rushing to China would not materialize if SK was an option - Viet Nam is a bent analogy but useful
The GREAT risk is the mob boss stays in power w/ thermonuclear capability in 18 mos - SK, Japan, the Philippines are hostages now BUT 18 mos from now China might be in the position of the US today
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