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Mtl JP  21:58:18 GMT - 12/08/2017  
The VALUE (i.e. its trumpeted utility) about to get diminished:

..."Under the EU-wide plan, online platforms where bitcoins are traded will be required to carry out due diligence on customers ... Traders will be forced to disclose their identities, ending the anonymity ... The rules are expected to come into effect in the next few months"....

Bitcoin: U.K. money laundering proposal seeks bitcoin transparency



Mtl JP  12:43:33 GMT - 12/08/2017  
display of amazing confusion in value vs price:
value = utility
price = at which transfer of ownership occurs


haifa ac  12:37:15 GMT - 12/08/2017  
I calculated (roughly) yesterday intraday swings. They amounted to more than $7,000. Half the currency value.
No sane serious investor is going to participate in this Mad Game.
It has to show some stability first.


Mtl JP  12:25:33 GMT - 12/08/2017  
 
dc CB 12:07 / Do you know difficult it is buy Gold from - for example - Scotia Bank ?

I note with very much interest: ... "all eligible bitcoin orders will be processed and shipped within one business day of your paymentís clearing and processing" ... . .... "Buyers can make purchases with bitcoin at any time, from nearly anywhere, just as with most credit cards. International orders become significantly easier as cryptocurrency like bitcoin is accepted worldwide without conversion. Also, many customers prefer Bitcoin payment because of the anonymity offered by a blockchain purchase."


dc CB  12:07:44 GMT - 12/08/2017  
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Mtl JP  10:37:08 GMT - 12/08/2017  
think Bitcoin & Co are going away ?
-
via AP:

Vatican prosecutors urged to go after money laundering



Israel Dil  23:27:39 GMT - 12/07/2017  
CB - it's amazes and amuses me to hear people fiercely claiming that the whole bitcoin base is not a hoax/pyramid. with the satoshi structure, bitcoin price may go $1'000'000'000.00 and still no whole bitcoin needs to change hands. the "bitcoin exchange bucketshops" can make that quire easily. when more regulation kicks in, it will turn into fiat style "hoax". I had to laugh for few minutes when I heard it's Goldman Sachs responsible for the clearing of the bitcoin futures.


Livingston nh  18:28:51 GMT - 12/07/2017  
Don't stand second in line to a BIG Seller, liquidity appears to be an issue -- why oh why !!!


dc CB  18:04:28 GMT - 12/07/2017  
Plus, all other Crypto currencies can only be acquired with Bitcoin. So if you want to start trading Ethereum, you have to open an acct with your Currency (USD, Yen, Won etc) buying Bitcoin (Satoshis for the average Joe), then you can trade all the 100 or so, with more being created - ICO's Inital Coin Offerings.


dc CB  17:55:02 GMT - 12/07/2017  
Jay, that is the problem. There are many exchanges and not nesc priced in USD. During the Zimbab crisis earlier last month, BTC went for an equiv $13,000 USD.

Plus, consider that a "trade" does not have to be a Full Bitcoin, it can be a partial, which at these prices most are. The smallest is the Satoshi:
1 Satoshi = 0.00000001 ฿
100,000 Satoshi = 0.00100000 ฿
1,000,000 Satoshi = 0.01000000 ฿
10,000,000 Satoshi = 0.10000000 ฿
100,000,000 Satoshi = 1.00000000 ฿

so buying/selling in these increments shows as a trade at a price.
After today, I really don't think they will launch futures at all this month. The BTC Blockchain it way too slow compared to Algo HFTs

FYI: ZH

America's Biggest Bitcoin Exchange Just Broke As Prices Tumbled $4,500 From Highs



london red  17:54:23 GMT - 12/07/2017  
Jay, for an eye on it all...
https://cryptowat.ch/


Amazing Trader Jay Meisler  17:39:16 GMT - 12/07/2017  
dc, I assume it is ll over the place but the data I follow shows

15049 (last)
16013 high
13122 low
Spread $100


dc CB  16:38:00 GMT - 12/07/2017  
@zerohedge
11m11 minutes ago
Bitcoin Bests $18,000 - Up Over $5000 Today!!

zerohedge
9m9 minutes ago
Bitcoin Gains $6000 In 12 Hours - Soars Above $19,000

@zerohedge
8m8 minutes ago
Bitcoin 19500

@zerohedge
5m5 minutes ago
BTC bid/ask spread about $1000 right now


london red  16:25:57 GMT - 12/07/2017  
1 trillion mkt cap folks... then gods work...


dc CB  16:18:33 GMT - 12/07/2017  
$15,000-$16,000: 5 hours
$16,000-$17,000: 2 hours
ZeroHedge


dc CB  14:27:55 GMT - 12/07/2017  
as noted in an earlier post. Most of the demand is in the Asian session. The "little rocketman effect"????
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
BBG sez South Korea : Chart: daily trading in Won exceeds $2Billion on some days.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
IMHO: the intro of futures 2 weeks before Christmas/NewYears holiday is going to be a Major Co(K-Up in the US. The CME and CBOT have never dealt with a futures instrument that is not based on an Underlying that is not traded in a regulated public market. ie Grains, energies, bonds, stocks.
The greedy mtfs are jumping the gun here ---- cruisin' for a brusin' . I can's see anybody wanting to test this market at the end of the year in Thin holiday trading. They shud have waited until Feb. But greed and the need to stop/Crush this Bitcoin trump that.

Bitcoin Frenzy Like No Other Is Gripping South Korea



haifa ac  14:27:50 GMT - 12/07/2017  
15314

that is 15 Pies for the winner


haifa ac  14:26:18 GMT - 12/07/2017  
and who stops the Satoshis to mine billions more?


Mtl JP  14:25:39 GMT - 12/07/2017  
Folks are breaking out in fever dislike of fiats. Their dislike is patently obvious. Currently Bitcoin is THE alternative.

In the meantime, one could think, it is suppressing Gold.
(making a gift)


Livingston nh  14:23:50 GMT - 12/07/2017  
There's no intrinsic value in crypto"currency" - there's no there, there - why is this even an issue here?


USA BC  14:16:18 GMT - 12/07/2017  
Let's see. A manipulators dream

A virtual currency with no regulation, no financial backing, and who knows what drives it.



haifa ac  14:09:36 GMT - 12/07/2017  
15128
This is simply insane
It is also Pearl Harbor day today


Israel Dil  13:14:43 GMT - 12/07/2017  
15555 to 10888 in 10 minutes sounds like the next leg


dc CB  13:03:51 GMT - 12/07/2017  
twenty BTC no for ransom...just hold on to it for a month LOL

$5000- $6000: 8 days
$6000- $7000: 13 days
$7000- $8000: 14 days
$8000- $9000: 9 days
$9000-$10000: 2 days
$10000-$11000: 1 day
$11000-$12000: 6 days
$12,000-$13,000: 17 hours
$13,000-$14,000: 4 hours
$14,000-$15,000: 10 hours

BTC - $62M what it looks like



Haifa ac  11:51:01 GMT - 12/07/2017  
Sounds very modest, if not ridiculous, when you are asking 20 Bitcoins ransom


PAR 10:44:40 GMT - 12/07/2017  
Blackmailing German Bomber Demands 10 Million Euros In Bitcoin From DHL


PAR 10:04:56 GMT - 12/07/2017  
BTC the new black money , tax evasion and fiscal paradise .






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