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london red  07:20:24 GMT - 08/03/2020  
ac, way to go is to keep key systems off the grid. let them have what you want them to have on the grid on a separate sys.

haifa ac  06:43:35 GMT - 08/03/2020  
Rafe. I am not so worried if they can track all my walks thru the phone. I am more worried that they are getting so sophisticated that they know my trading positions!, my credit capabilities, where all the big stops are. In the past big traders used to pay runners to give them such information. Today-- who knows what is their limit?
Also think how useless today are things like CV (curriculum vitae--resumes) ---you cannot evade things you want to keep to your self. They know you before you walk into the door of the job interview.

Caribbean! Rafe...  23:43:16 GMT - 08/02/2020  
So you see? I said a few days ago... I don't have a phone... That's why... What was that thing said by Snowden and the whole NSA debacle, now he's living... where is it again?. Yes, NSA tapping phones is somewhat justified to prevent terrorism, but commercial companies, cryptocracies tend to gather this information to exploit their own customers... They are not our friends, and we know that.

Don't mean to intrude but anyways AC, just be careful your not being targeted by some syndicate of perps (as I was), and forced into believing others are behind it. My advice I first followed, and advice to you just as well.. Get rid of the phone or get a very simple phone.

haifa ac  06:07:36 GMT - 08/02/2020  
I may be exaggerating but all this branding/scoring/ boxing/marking is done not to help us but to warn against us. It begins to feel like an electronic "yellow badge" or a "Mark of Cain" that is etched on our foreheads or backs. If the algorithm interprets some of our behavior as "negative" it will follow us where ever we go. Soon even taxi drivers, tour guides, cruise ship staff, the mailman, will "know our profile " and will react. It is getting out of control and it is NOT helping me. Where is the limit?!

haifa ac  05:10:30 GMT - 08/02/2020  
Next time a merchant or service giver puts you on "hold"--it may be your "score" the system graded and assigned you:

"Brand-name retailers purchase "risk scores" from Retail Equation to help make judgments about whether consumers commit fraud when they return goods for refunds. Players in the gig economy use outside firms such as Sift to score consumers' "overall trustworthiness." Wireless customers predicted to be less profitable are sometimes forced to endure longer customer service hold times.

Auto insurers raise premiums based on scores calculated using information from smartphone apps that track driving styles. Large analytics firms monitor whether we are likely to take our medication based on our propensity to refill our prescriptions; pharmaceutical companies, health-care providers and insurance companies can use those scores to, among other things, "match the right patient investment level to the right patients."....

It is not new. It is just getting to be the biggest business around--scoring you and selling this information to the highest bidder. We are losing all proportions.

dc CB  18:43:46 GMT - 08/01/2020  

add to that---why do you think that On-Line stock brokers...Schwab, TDAmeritrade, and the poster child of the bunch Robinhood have commission free trading on stocks and options.
Out of the goodness of their hearts?

That 'retail flow' info its worth a fortune in the age of nanosecond frontrunning fiberoptics....

Minneapolis DRS2  17:05:21 GMT - 08/01/2020  
ac You speak (write) as if this stuff is all brand new. What do you think a credit score is? What do you think forex brokers do with all the analytic information they collect on you? Employers? Grocery stores?
The whole world runs on this stuff.

Hate it if you want to. You can say anything you want about Apple and Google and Amazon or whoever. But don't think for a minute that what they are doing is any different than what any credit reporting agency or check verification service does. This stuff has been going on in one form or another since at least the 1950s.

haifa ac  16:35:05 GMT - 08/01/2020  
DRS2, you too are oblivious to the power of personal behavioral information.
Here is an article from today:
Data isn't just being collected from your phone. It's being used to score you.
Operating in the shadows of the online marketplace, specialized tech companies you've likely never heard of are tapping vast troves of our personal data to generate secret "surveillance scores" - digital mug shots of millions of Americans - that supposedly predict our future behavior. The firms sell their scoring services to major businesses across the U.S. economy.

People with low scores can suffer harsh consequences....

Most of the profits of the tech companies come from selling their (confidential) client data. It is like MacDonald making the bulk of their profits not from burgers but from real estate and, yes, selling eaters' information. Those algorithm are getting very sophisticated. They are very close to be able to REALLY control our behavior.

Minneapolis DRS2  15:46:55 GMT - 08/01/2020  
ac 12:44 I tend to agree with Facebook not offering significant value to society, but it can be argued that Apple and Amazon offer tremendous values. Nobody can argue with the market success of Apple products over the years, and Amazon has taken over the distribution and logistics position that Sears once played.

If Facebook disappeared, then the world wouldn't miss it. However, if Apple or Amazon disappeared, then the world would not only miss them, but would do everything possible to recreate them. The fact that they sell information about their clients is possibly unseemly, but you need to have clients before you can sell information about them. They got rich by making and doing things that their clients want.

haifa ac  12:44:08 GMT - 08/01/2020  
What makes Amzn, FB, Aapl---so rich?! selling collected and analyzed information about their clients.
They manufacture NOTHING. Their added value to human good is zilch. If they disappeared tmw--no one (except the buyers of this information) would even notice.
Bezos and Zuckergerg are geniuses and they deserve the money they make with their wisdom--but it tells a lot about homo sapience.

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